Michelle Obama told her brother Craig Robinson in the first episode of their new podcast that she heavy relied on her "big brother" while being married to Barack in the White House.

Originally appeared on E! Online Michelle Obama doesn’t find all of husband Barack Obama’s traits particularly becoming. In fact, she shared one of her pet peeves when it comes to the former president.

Michelle Obama talked divorce, newfound freedom and friendship—but refused to delve into politics—on her new podcast alongside her brother, according to The New York Times. The paper was granted early access to the first pair of hour-long episodes of IMO,